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View Poll Results: Keep this thread in "Surf Discussion" or move it to "Surf Scams"?
Andy deserves to have his latest AS discussed as a possibly legitimate opportunity! 1 4.00%
I will consider making a spend. 2 8.00%
Andy deserves to have his latest AS treated accordingly...in the "SCAM" folder! 12 48.00%
There's no way I'd make a spend. 16 64.00%
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:55 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Trolling = repeating your negative opinion over and again incessantly.

Whatever your opinion of how Andy handled your money is, it's NO justification for your trolling.

You have been allowed to state your opinion, like everyone else, demanding it be reheard constantly on every page of a thread is obnoxious to every other reader regardless of if they agree with you or not.
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Old 12-11-2007, 10:12 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Lol, I've not demanded anything outside of getting some legitimate questions answered, which never were. I certainly never "demanded" that my opinion be "reheard" as you suggest, but simply stated the facts. Unfortunately for "Andy's" supporters, such as yourself, the only thing left at the end of his programs are negative opinions.

Out of curiosity, what would you call the people who continually support a known scammer by posting their positive opinion over and over again incessantly? Seems strange that you have no problem with them, if your problem is really with people who post the same thing over and over again. Go reread the threads on "Andy's" programs in the various forums and you'll see the same posts by the same posters pushing the program at the begining trying to lure people in. No problem with these people? Seems a little hypocritical doesn't it?

Please don't speak for the "other readers" as they can speak for themselves and most have by voting this into the scam folder as soon as it started. If "Andy" ran an honest/legitimate business, there would be no need or opportunity for negative posts.

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Trolling = repeating your negative opinion over and again incessantly.

Whatever your opinion of how Andy handled your money is, it's NO justification for your trolling.

You have been allowed to state your opinion, like everyone else, demanding it be reheard constantly on every page of a thread is obnoxious to every other reader regardless of if they agree with you or not.
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Old 12-11-2007, 11:41 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Andy made a lot of people a lot of money for a long time.

The only reason I didn't join xlo2 is because of the csatm.

If he opens another I'm in.

To each his own.

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Old 12-12-2007, 01:10 AM   #134 (permalink)
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Slappy, the point of my post was trolling. If I am an "Andy Supporter" or not is irrelevant... if I dislike cheerleaders or not is irrelevant.

I'm not sure if it's on purpose or not, but you obviously don't want to address the actual subject! or maybe simply don't get it.. :\

Either way continuing the discussion is pointless... I said what I think twice already.. Which Is Plenty Of Times!
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:57 PM   #135 (permalink)
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And let's say in the future SurfNow closes, as one day it must, I am as confident as one can or should be in this arena, that Andy will handle things to my satisfaction. That's a chance I am willing to take with someone's world view I happen to agree with.
The above is my quote from last July. And so it has transpired. As far as I know, no one has been left "scammed". Andy has taken care of everyone.

The simple reality is that the CSATM was ahead of its time. It worked beautifully. And the income for the surf was to come from the CSATM business.

So Andy by recognizing that the CSATM idea was not going to be embraced to the extent needed to make it a viable business in the way he had hoped, also had to accept that the legitimate revenue for the surfing program was not going to be there in the longer term.

If he was a scammer, he would have kept the surf going as a ponzi with other payment processors. But he didn't do that. When the source of funding for the surf program wasn't going to be enough, he stopped it while he could still honour all his obligations to members.

Where's the scam if nobody loses and the majority of members are in profit?

Businesses fail all the time. People who succeed in the long run don't give up. They persist. They fall off the horse, so to speak, and get back up and try again. If one thing doesn't work, they try another. That's what I see Andy doing.

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Slappy, since when was managing an online business not work? It's bloody hard work! And how do you know anyway that Andy doesn't work at a job as well as his online business? How can you assume that?

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