Is Global Warming the Real Deal... at Nobullshit Network Forum

**opie999** · 05-22-2007, 03:56 AM

...or is it a Global Scam?

If you google "global warming", you'll get nearly 66 million hits. Doing the same with "global warming facts" returns about 3.5 million hits. Any significance? Heckifiknow, but I did find it sorta' interesting.

Quickly scanning the first one or two pages of my own search turned up some websites that, I hope, will provide details from both sides of this messy subject. It's a mess alright but one thing seems pretty clear, someone is flinging copious amounts of stinking, steaming bovine excrement and it's up to us to decide who that might be!

The first three sites are mostly "it's the real deal" and the next three sites are mostly "it's a scam".

-------------"It's true, it's true!"-------------
global warming facts, causes of global warming, global climate change, global change, Victor Miguel Ponce

Global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Science of Global Warming - Fight Global Warming - Environmental Defense 2

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Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

JunkScience.com -- The Real Inconvenient Truth: Greenhouse, global warming and some facts

The Great Global Warming Swindle - Documentary Film - Google Video

Brow · 05-22-2007, 06:43 AM

Interesting topic. As with most theories of any nature you can usually find proponents for both sides and often it depends on who is footing the bill as to what the outcome of any evidence is.

I picked wait for more evidence as I believe there is evidence that it is happening but not enough to know why.

It might be true that global warming is being sped up by man's influence but it could be argued that that is actually part of evolution so cannot really be halted.

I look forward to seeing other views on this.

Brow

**mbongwe** · 05-22-2007, 07:47 AM

I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories. Many scientists from different countries all over the world say there is Global Warming. There are facts like melting the ice in Antarctica which prove it. There is scientific explanation to all of that. I don't think this all could be "scam". There is global warming and trying to close our eyes won't take out the responcibility from each one of us.

**Dan** · 05-22-2007, 01:06 PM

Saying global warming is a scam is utter nonsense. JMHO

**allinvain** · 05-22-2007, 01:13 PM

you guys should check out "The great global warming swindle" documentary released by BBC 4

**opie999** · 05-22-2007, 01:34 PM

Link #3 above in the Bullbiscuits section. It's an interesting counterpoint to Gore's "Inconvenient Truth".

Simon · 05-22-2007, 06:02 PM

I think we need more evidence - but my own personal feeling right now is that global warming is a natural occurence, and although we might well be speeding up the process (aggrevating factor), like most things it occurs in cycles, meaning what goes up can also come down.

That's why I won't vote for option 2 - because global warming may just be the upward trend in a cycle. But I still think we should be cutting emissions where possible - I'd rather not live in a world enveloped by smog and acid rain. lol

flash · 05-23-2007, 01:13 AM

It might be in style to say that man is creating the warming. I've read material on both sides, watched both of those movies, and just for fun, did a little research on the planet's climate history. My personal conclusion is that people on both sides of the issue manipulate the same data to prove their point. We are in a warming cycle and although I don't believe it's caused by "man" we might be helping it along a tiny bit.

We just got over a little Ice Age not that long ago in terms of the planet. Some scientists believe that's what helped wipe out the vikings and indirectly caused the plagues of the middle ages. I don't think "man" caused that either, it was just a cycle.

I did find a couple of things interesting in the swindle movie, first that many scientist's names were used in that list of the top 2500, implying that they agree when they don't, and of course there is the little issue of how much money has and will go towards "global warming". All I can say is money talks.

With all the predictions that all the experts (and not so expert) have made about how fast or slow this could effect us, (for drama watch "The Day After Tomorrow movie") who knows. For now it makes sense to for each person to make the small changes that have been recommended, change light bulbs, wrap your water heater and all other things that save energy. I already do that because it makes financial sense.

Another great educational show to watch is on the history channel called "Mega Disasters" or perhaps "Doomsday 2012 End of Days"

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Mega Disasters

Massive natural disasters have shaped the planet on which we live for millions of years, and the only thing we know for sure is that the future holds more. Earthquakes have triggered massive tsunamis and released methane gas that killed most of the life in the ocean. Asteroids have laid waste to nearly all the life on earth. Volcanoes have blocked the sun's rays for months.

There are just so many "possibilities" like "global warming" we can't fix to worry about, no matter how many billions of dollars we spend on it.

I am more worried about some nutcase getting a hold of a nuke or two and setting them off somewhere than I am about global warming. LOL a nuclear winter would solve the global warming problem.

**opie999** · 05-23-2007, 02:54 AM

Well howdy, flash! Welcome to NN forum!

Outstanding first post. Sounds like you've put some serious thought into the issues.

HedgeHog · 05-24-2007, 01:55 AM

Very good theories, flash. There's still much speculation on global warming, of it's past, present, and future. Speaking hypothetically, let's say the Earth's axis was originally at 0 degrees tilt, making the whole planet temperate, and the pole regions day light 24/7 some millions of years ago. What if the reasons behind it's current tilt was the fact of asteroid bombardment and/or ancient nuclear proliferation? That would theoretically account for some of the ice age cycles we've already had. Now, what if the Earth is trying to straighten it's axis back to 0 degrees tilt as a means to cleans itself? What if the Earth is living and aware of it's condition, and is doing everything it can to shrug off the impurities? Just more theories; something to contemplate; maybe global warming isn't such a bad thing after all (?)

-David