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Old 05-16-2007, 02:14 AM   #21 (permalink)
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yuko, no worries, just ask away when you feel like.

nothing from PeterB nor G.

I could post the screenshots and everyone can take a look, probably later. I suppose since he doesn't want to reply me, he must have his reasons (none that I know of)
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Old 05-16-2007, 02:58 AM   #22 (permalink)
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he mentioned in the Goldentalk forum that he'll refuse to discuss anything more about proof of being hacked.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:45 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Pretty annoying isn't it? Since the ruckus and problem were started by him. I'm attaching the screenshots here in NN. you guys can take a look and tell me what can you make out of it.
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Old 05-16-2007, 07:32 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Pretty annoying isn't it? Since the ruckus and problem were started by him. I'm attaching the screenshots here in NN. you guys can take a look and tell me what can you make out of it.
I can see that these are forged right away. The amount of gold bullion that's transferred is the dollar amount divided by the exchange rate. Thus, for the first transfer shown in image 1, 88.50 USD / 686.00 USD per ounce = 0.1290087 troy oz. As shown, this gets rounded to 0.129009 oz.

Now what about these supposed transfers to "Paul Roeder"? The first is fine: $950 / $677.90 = 1.4013866, which gets rounded to 1.401387, as displayed.

BUT THEN you have $4500 / $677.90 = 6.638147. BUT WHAT'S DISPLAYED? 6.625422. THIS IS A FORGED ENTRY. It's especially obvious when you look at the second $4500 transfer and see that the rate has changed to $679.30 per troy oz. HOWEVER, THE AMOUNT OF GOLD BULLION DOES NOT CHANGE.

A second inconsistency is found in the time. On page 1, the time increments chronologically. On page 2, this continues, all the way up to the last transfer in which there is an obvious error. How do you go from 23:15 on 4/30/2007 to 07:48 on 4/30/2007. Obviously, 07:48 would come first, yet the batch number shows that it came after. THIS IS A FORGED ENTRY.

No wonder Peter doesn't want to provide evidence for the loss. No wonder he refuses to address it. No wonder he stopped giving out these supposed screen shots. He has some major explaining to do. Why did he forge these screen shots? If they're not forged, and this is some quirk in e-gold, he better be damn ready to give Jude access to his e-gold account to confirm things. Otherwise, the presumption is that he's a scammer, as that's what the available evidence strongly suggests. I think Peter should have a day or two to respond to this. If he fails to address it and goes MIA, I think it's time for Jude to release his contact details and contact law enforcement.

Damn I hate this shit.

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Old 05-16-2007, 07:51 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I'm ready to release his information if he doesn't give an explanation and even reply my emails. I'm getting a little tired of this too. by the way, welcome to NN Conciliator.. *wave
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Also, note how the memo for the legitimate withdrawl of 88.50 says WithdrawlreuqestedClubFX. This is obviously from the Club FX script. Now Peter claims to have been victimized by a virus or someone who stole his password. 1) Why on earth would this "hacker" leave this memo for every withdrawl if the attack was supposedly not through the website? 2) Why would this "hacker" spend over 5 hours making withdrawls for small amounts when he could have withdrawn the whole fund to his account in a single trransfer? It looks like a a real transfer was made to "Paul Roeder's" account using the Club-FX website. It looks like this was then cut and pasted to generate a fake list of transactions, as evidenced by the two forged entries.

If this is not the case, then I'd love to have Peter explain it to me...
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Also, is it reasonable to think that the exchange rate stayed at $679.20 for over 5 hours? 17:37 to 23:15 GMT corresponds to 11:37 to 17:15 CST (central US). I have a hard time believing that the price of gold didn't move a bit in the middle of a Monday afternoon in the US.
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Oh, and one more error I just caught:

If you look at the last transfer on page 2, you'll see that the amount is not for $9500.00, as the others are, but for $9500.01. Now you might think that this wouldn't change the amount of gold bullion that would be transferred, but it does. E-gold carries out the amount to six decimal places, making it very sensitive. As you can see, $9500.01 / $679.20 = 13.987058. However, the image shows it with the same amount as in the other transfers for 1 cent less: 13.987044. THIS IS DEFINITELY A FORGED ENTRY.
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I'm ready to release his information if he doesn't give an explanation and even reply my emails. I'm getting a little tired of this too. by the way, welcome to NN Conciliator.. *wave
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You know what's interesting, Peter said that his e-gold account got cleaned out through the website script. At the beginning of this mess people believed that his e-gold account got hacked manually somehow (trojan/keylogger etc), but later on he comes out saying that the hacker compromised the website script and somehow cleaned up the account that way.

I think Peter better come up with a damn explanation for those screenshots and the discrepancies and possible forgery attempts.
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