wayne

Seems you were totally wrong about this,here is a translation from Finnish police website

KRP (Central Crime Investigation/Central Crime Police) in Finland has launched investigations about Wincapita to find out if Wincapita is an illegal pyramid or networking scheme. Police has estimated that there might be even 10.000 members in Wincapita and the amount of investments are total of more than 50 million euros (about 70 million dollars). Investment club worked for years and at least part of the investors have got profits from it. Police has been following the clubs actions for a long time already, and has been doing some pre-research about it since last fall. With the information they got from their researching and from the investors of Wincapita, the police has now "reason to suspect" and Winclub and it's follower, Wincapita are now being investigated as criminal activity.

KRP is now asking members of Wincapita to report possible crimes about Wincapita if they feel that they have been victims of crime.

At first sight that seems bad but here is another piece of news from a contact in Moneybookers.
Moneybookers have been asked by Finnish police to suspend certain club members and whilst the vast majority of members have their accounts working normally,some have had their account suspended and then reinstated later and a number of them remain unable to process transactions even now.
It would appear that the Finnish police have been able to issue Moneybookers with a list of accounts which they wanted suspended and they have not necessarily been the ones where there has been the greatest transfer of money so I wonder how else the Finnish police may have been able to single out a relatively small number of accounts from a total of 10,000
There have been members who have had many hundreds of thousands of euros passing through their accounts who have not had them suspended.Members who have had much smaller transactions and in some instances have withdrawn much less than they have invested or even not withdrawn at all have had their accounts suspended.
If the police were only interested in investigating possible offences by Wincapita why would they be asking Moneybookers to suspend accounts of members who have withdrawn less than they have invested and have not put in any complaint?
They must have had assistance from Wincapita in selecting the list of accounts and Wincapita is interested only in trying to find rogue members as they know they do not have a problem themselves in respect of the police investigation.
Members who have complained to Moneybookers about the suspension of their account have been given contact details for the Finnish police officers dealing with the investigation and have been able to email them and even speak to them directly to discuss the situation.
Surely Moneybookers would not have been able to give out these contact details without the permission of the Finnish police and in any case they could easily have refused to speak to members but instead have been eager for them to start a dialogue.
My conclusions:
Moneybookers ,Wincapita and KRP have been cooperating to initially produce a list of suspicious Wincapita accounts from the point of view of Wincapita rules.
Moneybookers give out contact details of Finnish police investigators so members with ‘suspect accounts’ can give whatever information they have to try and eliminate themselves from suspicion.
Ultimately the members who can not provide sufficient information are singled out after the filtering process and are dealt with by Wincapita.
I just hope that this process does not take too long and have an adverse affect on Wincapita

wayne

Yeah this is from Moneybookers

Dear Mr.xxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email.

It has come to our attention that WinCapita are currently experiencing
operational problems and we have noticed that their website is not
accessible.

Recent articles and discussions published by the Finish press and on
various online forums also reported a number of complaints and raised a
range of concerns around WinCapita.

We are unable to provide any information in regards to this matter and
we invite you to contact the Finish authorities with any further
enquiries:

National Bureau of Investigation (NBI - Finland)
Tel: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Email:xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx

We would like to thank you for your patience and cooperation in this
matter.

Best regards,
xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx

fubow

Hi all!

Am i the only one with problems loading this forum? I try visiting this thread every once in a while but mostly the "page cannot be displayed"...

Is there anyone who knows finnish who can give us all non finnish speaking people a hint of how the discussion is like in the finnish forums? I saw theres a couple of videos in youtube about wincapita to in finnish.

If anyone have new information whatsoever about the situation with Wincapita and the finnish police I would be grateful. To me it seems a bit weard that there are so heated discussions about Wincapita being a scam or not. Who are the people that so bad want to convince us that our invested money is gone? And who are the members refusing to see that the situation is critical in any way?

Cheers
Fubow

Imhotep

Hi Fubow,
I never have any problem logging in to the site but maybe thats because I'm and ancient Egyptian god .
News in a nutshell-Finnish police are like all police everywhere they want you to think they are on top of everything and want the bad guys to be looking over their shoulders but in reality they are in the police station eating doughnuts(USA),biscuits(UK) and raw fish(Japan).
Finnish police say on TV and website
"We have been looking into Winclub since Autumn 2007 and we are investigating complaints.We have not been in contact with anyone from Wincapita,we have not arrested anyone and we have not issued warrants for any arrests.Please anyone who has information get in touch and help us out because "we havn't got a clue what to do"-(Blockbuster by The Sweet)
Does anyone know the way,there has to be a way to blockbuster!
Ok so while the police sit in the station and eat moose burgers or whatever they eat in Finnish police stations what are Wincapita doing?
Playing golf,fishing,lounging on their luxury yachts,in fact anything except telling us what is going on,why should they,maybe they will be back soon to dispense more manna from heaven,maybe not but we must have faith.And anyway they know the police arn't coming after them.
Now we get to the interesting bit,the people who are members and can't see there is a crisis,well thats really simple-they have been members for years,have seen all this before,been given the mushroom treatment before(kept in the dark and covered in shit) but having invested a few thousand euros they have taken out hundreds of thousands and in some cases millions so they don't have a problem.
The guys who have put in money and not had any back or not as much as they put in clearly have a problem and we have yet to see how it pans out for them.
But the guys who really have a big problem are the ones who are not Wincapita members and so really know nothing about it but are desperate for it to fail and that is why they come to forums like this to gloat and puke on peoples dreams.
I pity them because people like that are doomed to failure in fact they will never even fail because they will not try something different so their only comfort is the failure of others.
What they will never understand is that all successful people fail and anyone who has never failed is destined never to succeed.
Whether Wincapita comes back or not I can not know but what I do know is that if it does ,great but I already have my sights set on new goals and if Wincapita does not come back I will regards my losses as the tuition fees I must pay for my education

hannuk-thegoldheart

Your conclusions are wrong. Finnish police (KRP) has announced that Wincapita has not contacted the investigators yet. Actually the investigators are now looking for the leaders of the club. So would you please stop telling lies.

You can find some things about the club from this link
Scroll down the page and you find some translations. Some of the facts are a little bit old, but still they are facts.

You cannot get any facts, because the club is not giving any. There are only rumours emailed between the finnish members, so you cannot rely on any of the information you get (except the information given by police).

The leaders of the club has been participant on many MLM-schemes, some on pure finnish chain letter scams, some on international scams like WGI. The fact is that Hannu K (finnish members have told that Hannu is the father of the trading computer program) has a criminal conviction on financial crimes. Before he became a genious forex trader, he was running a erotic club in finland.

If the site is going to be online, why there are no information on the pages. Somebody told that the site has been down also earlier in the club history. That is true, but last time there was page that told "Contact your sponsor" or something like that. So the pages were down, but still the there was something shown. Now there is nothing, and the site disappeared unexpectly.

Unfortunately this seems to be a Forex scam.

fubow

Yup. That makes sense. Im a (was) member and I've invested 4000 euros..

It's amazing that only a few people ( the last number I heard was 4) has reported the club to the police. Do thousands of people still believe that the club will return? I read a lot on the Wincapita forum and people really trusted the club for life and invested huge sums. I'm not surprised if the 50 million euros that the finnish police mentioned (guessed?) is in fact a lot more. There were members all over the world investing crazy amounts of money, not least in that WIF-share-thing they did the last few weeks where they sold out the company to the members.

I have not reported to swedish police, though i probably will give them a call later this week when I have time. But then again I didn't loose that much money. But I believe it's important that all members go to the police so that there will be a proper investigation.

I would still be thankful if someone who understand finnish could tell me and all other non finnish-speaking members what the discusiion is like over there. Are there a lot of people still holding on to the club in public forums?

Grateful for all answers..
Cheers
Fubow

Imhotep

To all UK Wincapita members,
British fraud squad has been contacting UK residents who are Wincapita members and have contacted Finnish police because their Moneybookers accounts have been frozen.
Apparently Finnish police have been in contact with UK police to contact UK residents and UK fraud squad are saying Wincapita is a pyramid scheme and they are applying for a court order to freeze any assets in Moneybookers which came from Wincapita.
Fraud squad say that all frozen assets will remain frozen until outcome of investigations and possibly there will be some redistribution of frozen assets pro rata to individuals investments.
So there we have it guys,looks like game over.

Imhotep

Yeah if you want to check it out yourself,here's the contact details,

Nigel Howard
Detective Sergeant
City of London Police.
Financial Investigation Unit
21 New Street.
London.
EC2M 4TP

020 7601 6859
020 7601 6930

MemeX

What does this mean? That we will get our money back or that WinCapita have don a hit and run and the investors have lost their money?

I'm to bad at english to understandit my self.

oneworldmarket

Yes, I understand everyone here. Members of Wincapita and Non Members.

We as members got something that was official from Wincapita before the

website went offline. This is official, we do not have any facts just news.

News is not always factual, we must wait and see...