Someone

Dear anita,

Your sponsor has disappeared? Yes, I understand. Most of them are swindlers and have earned a lot of money thanks to you and other people and also they have avoided the tax-authority in the home country.

I don't know if the rules in this forum allow us to mention people with their name and address here. Hannu K is already mentioned. But, by my point of view, it would be very interesting if the members in this forum here could write down the name and address to his/her sponsor! Then we could see how the spider has organized the red and caught the victims around the world. And these sponsors, who invited people and persuaded them to invest money in Wincapita two, three months ago, I think they will welcome all of us when we come to them in a couple of weeks. Perhaps they will invite us with a cup of coffee!

Who will be the first to mention the name and address to a sponsor? And it would also be interesting to see how they have worked. To see a pattern... It would be valuable in the trial! So please, tell us also how they contacted you!

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anita

Hi Someone,

He appeared again!

Well, I have known this guy for a while and actually I was the one who asked him about WC (since he was in already). He showed me his earnings of all the years he was in and as somebody else in this forum said, I couldn't figure out how a ponzi could make this numbers. I have a close friend who is a trader and usually can perform similar to WC, so I thought it was ok.

I wouldn't mention his name in a public forum. It could mess things up more than they are now.

sensible

Hi Anita,
I understand the frustration you feel of not knowing what's going on!! I feel the same way but do yourself a favor and stop listening to people who are not even members. My sponsor did the same thing as your sponsor did and showed me all the numbers and money he had invested and withdrawn from wc. I trust this guy with my life and when I saw the numbers I decided to risk a little bit of money to see if it worked for me to.When I sponsor people(2) I tell them that I can't guarantee them anything but I can only show them it has worked for me. I'm sure there are some sponsors that are not very serious and actually are guaranteing 400-500% return on your investment but that's not wc fault. Wc themselves say on their site that they don't guarantee any profit and I as a fairly intelligent person knows that with these kind of profits there must be some risks involved. In an earlier topic you discussed how much money has come into wc and how much money has been going out and on another forum for members only there has been a survey where members could tell how much money they had put in and how much money they had taken out and it showed a lot more money taken out then put in. I don't know what's going on but I honestly don't believe it's a ponzi.

ensio

Hi guys,

Because still seem to be some folks who believe this is real thing, I would like go back to last September and give little brief how this scam was revealed. Actually WinCapita is just incarnation of other ponzis, something more about that later.

On 25.09.07 there was a post in one Finnish chat forum. This one guy thought he could hack into WinCapita server and download all the running source code. It was surprise because he did not need to hack into anything, because at that time system was wide open. He was first person to realize this. He noticed that most of the pages were done using microsoft word and there was no connections out of the software. Weird, because software was showing how club was still trading. So it was obviously static signal content.

Same day people notice web service www.wishforex.com. This page no longer exists, but here is two saved screenshots:

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Does those look familiar. Well they sold licence to that software for about 50 dollars. It is strange because it is same software and WinCapita told that their genius Hannu had wrote it. Why to sold that for 50 box if its value is millions.

Later members got mail that they can follow signals from address http://69.94.131.239/fxsignalscashdia.php
This address was same than www.wishforex.com.

There was address http://www.winclub.com/cgi-bin/php/index.php which allowed everybody to log in. This is the reason why there is so much screenshots available. They used mysql database and there was phpmyadmin installed. This page showed what is admin password to database. Before club managed to bring site down (or somebody dropped their database), somebody managed to download the database and php sources.

If I understood this right, all the material was delivered to police. This was the day when this thing really exploded.

Apparently this guy found traces to Tom Sörnes who is really big scammer. So this will create route of scams SNG Invest -> FX Club -> Winclub -> WinCapita. Sörnes has company called Hatfield Oak in Panama. All of these ponzis has some links to this panama company.

It very likely that this HannuK is not the leader. He ran Nefernet network some time ago and that scam business was disaster. Guy had strip bar in Tampere, so what are changes to that kind of guy code software which beats world best banks in forex trading. So he can not have resources to pull stunt like this. Tom on the other hand plays in totally different league. He even has some history to scam scammers. Ace Invest - Pedro Dispenza/Tom Sornes case.

There is new scam which Tom should open tomorrow Clixo Cash. They collected money from other scam and this new company should trade 50% in Wincapita(yeah...) and 50% using trader called Dick Sandberg(old scammer). You can even see he's agents from Agents.

Now guys open your eyes, all the persons who has some links to this stuff has only bad history within different scams.

ensio

You may have noticed that address www.wincapita.com has come back to alive. Before your blood pressure will explode your head, calm down.

Here is quote/response from hosting company(ESolutions). This same text is now in finnish media. I believe we can close this case and wait for police to find those scammers.

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Hello,

I cannot tell you who the new customer is, because there is no relation at all between wincapita and this customer. We have a certain number of IP addresses that we give our customer. If one customer is leaving, we will release the IP and a new customer will eventually be assigned that IP address. In this case, the new customer was assigned the old IP that once belonged to wincapita – but it could also have been a different IP, that’s pure luck.

I have read in some forums, that a lot is going on in Finnland and many Wincapita members are trying to contact us, but we cannot help them because we have never met someone from Wincapita – they ordered their server last year around August/September and paid their invoice on time each month until February this year. From this point on, invoices were left unpaid and nobody from wincapita bothered to give us feedback. So about two weeks ago we took the server off the network (the server itself seems to have been emptied and cleaned already by someone from Wincapita, because no data was left on it).

Yesterday a new customer was assigned Wincapita’s old IP address (again: by pure chance) and nobody shall think that this site is back again. I don’t know what is going on, but I’d be happy if our unpaid invoices were settled.

Feel free to ask further questions if you need more information on something, but bare in mind that I have not much to share, because we only sold a server to wincapita – we are no members of this club.

Someone

Dear sensible: You wrote "I've been a member of wincapita for over 3 years and I'm really not that worried about all this….. ….Stop worrying everything will be OK"

Are you still thinking the same? :
And you:MemeX, oneworldmarket and Imhotep. I have to confess that I was wrong when I wrote that www.wincapita.com never would appear again. But now it has happended! Look: www.wincapita.com !

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Imhotep

Someone,I am truly sorry for you,it is so sad that your life is so empty that you have to find your comfort in gloating over the misfortune of others.I truly hope that you can find somewhere a meaning in your life.

Someone

My dear Imhotep!

I’m not gloating over the misfortune of others. The opposite! I want to support them. I have written several times here: Go to the police! Tell them everything about Wincapita, the sponsors and everything else they know! But what have you done? You have told everyone that you know more than we. That Wincapita will be reopened soon...

Unfortunately for you as well as for oneworldmarket and MemeX, I’m laughed a lot when the fraud was very clear for all of us with the exemption of you. So, please, don’t be sorry for me. Be sorry for yourself. That you are a couple of persons who really don’t understand anything! And I, openly, felt a great sorrow that there are people who are criminals and persuades other people to put their money in a big black hole. If you don't believe me... Why do you think I'm here to discuss with some stupid fellows?

Imhotep! I ask you now: Can you see them sitting there in a Internet-café in a remote country, reading these messages. And when they have read everything, they go to the restaurant… They want to cheer for oneworldmarket. “Waiter! Please, we want some dry white whine…” “Cheer oneworldmarket!” During the main-course: “Waiter! Please, now we want a nice Bourgogne wine…” A few minutes later on: “Cheer MemeX! We really love you MemeX! We hope you will invest more money” And finally, when the dessert is served: “Waiter. Now the most expensive Champagne! Please a couple of bottles of Jean Dumangin Premier Cru Care d’Or Champagne. Cheer Imhotep! We love you. Please, invest more money in the fantastic Wincapita!”

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kasper.joonatan

I think that gloating is wayyyyyyyyy much better option than to scam money from people and/or defend scammers here and try to convince people not to talk to the police so that scammers won't be in trouble. So, imho Imhotep your life is emptier and sadder.

Even if you are one of the scammers you will probably get caught and life in jail will be quite empty. If you are just a troll.. well, that's just pathetic.