Simon

Maybe, maybe not. In many ways it is academic - you are bound to face an up hill struggle no matter what (ie. it is either an unfortunate set of circumstances for you, or people are making the correct assumptions) - the past as perceived by people is going to play a major role (the truth of past events doesn't always matter), and if you overcome that then great! But I can already tell you expect a higher level of scruitiny than what is normal even for the surf industry.

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I'd rather discuss this here, this forum deserves the traffic unlike TG =)

Actually I don't know where to find you, your blog? I think my project has directed enough traffic there hasn't it?

Are you also saying that you feel an admin in this industry should publish their home address, telephone number etc? You mention lying to people about their information, so you think that every admin in this industry should reveal everything about them? Are you serious?

I have never owned Reindeer Surf, I can't say that enough, I didn't have any involvement with it but if they closed just as they were gaining momentum, it doesn't sound like whoever was the admin was very intelligent. If I had owned it, and it was getting popular, I wouldn't have closed it, that makes no sense to me at all. If you touched on facts with me, it would be one thing, but to keep saying I owned a site I have NO association with, well, it just plain outright disturbs me, and logically so.

I wouldn't pat myself on the back for anything, not even how I operated Wired Surf, and I wouldn't pat myself on the back for anyone another admin did (PR, PE etc). I don't think it's difficult to start a site in this industry, big deal. I think it is harder to make a comeback and I am trying to do all that I can to resolve things. We want to resolve the problems in the past, what more do you want from us?

If I were this Aaron character I would say so, then again, I probably would have reopened PR to be honest, but I'm not. All you are revealing are connections to other people in the industry, and that's obvious isn't it?

Do you not think the admin of Compact Surfing, having made so much money just abandoned this industry all together? A gold mine, and you think he just left it? What about Phoenix, I know the surf they own, do you?

It doesn't take mysterious connections or conspiracy theories to hit on something solid and real, but the information you have stated that is untrue, needs to be sorted out.

1) I did not own Reindeer Surf

2) I am not Aaron Bowering nor do I even think that is his real name

3) I do know some other 'big' sites that closed down and what they are doing now but it isn't my business to expose them. I would never try to be some savior here, I only worry about my own stuff.

4) Cathy Branch is not my wife, nor is she a friend of mine. She is someone that was involved in the industry both as an ex-employee of PR (she got fired, if you didn't know), and as a regular in our thread and forum. She helped out, was never an employee and never anyone responsible for my site.

5) Forumboost was purchased, not by me mind you, but it was moved to our host. It was hosted or was going to be by Cathy and her partner, but to my knowledge (now this is just MY knowledge, doesn't mean it's accurate) it never launched. It still sits in our domain account along with several other auto surf program domains that people abandoned and we purchased. Simon owns aaronbowering . com , does that mean he is Aaron too?

6) You have a personal problem with Aaron, it's obvious. You want to seek him out so badly you are willing to sacrifice anyone else to meet that desire. Why don't you point your investigations towards an auto surf "network" and maybe you will get somewhere.

Anyway, Leo, if I owe you anything personally I would help resolve that, but it's hard to prove I am not this or that without giving you more information about myself than I feel comfortable doing, and for being in this industry, that should be understandable.

Simon,

What the heck do we do to show that we are not Aaron Bowering without having to give our personal information away, in an industry where that could seriously be a problem with the number of unstable folks around here?

I guess I will have to just take the fall for it, and well since I am an admin of a formerly closed auto surf that upset a lot of people, I guess that's deserved regardless of the fact I am not him. I don't know but this is getting to be too much, I should have just followed the lead and opened a site with a different name. Who knows.

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drunkonlife

For someone that got fired, she sure was able to transfer alot of his businesses to her server. What is with that? Plus, for someone being a disgruntled employee, she has been pretty quiet in regards to actually help search for him. There are way too many coincidences going on here for anyone to ignore.


I sent you a PM. Just waiting for your reply. You can contact me through my website, through skype or through yahoo. Heck, if you want to exchange phone numbers, I would do that as well.

Simon

If I knew that, I'd have already said it. That's really my point, obviously you can't give away all personal info, unless you have a death wish. Any reasonable person would understand that. So yes, it is a bit of a catch-22. All you can do is persevere with it, and try and work closely with people like drunkonlife (trusted sources to verify certain facts on behalf of the industry) to at least show people you're willingness to be as open as it is possible to be online.

Like I said, if there was a simple solution, it would have been suggested.

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Edited, this was supposed to be posted after my last post.

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Richard

Everything I say to you will be posted on your blog and possibly twisted, phone numbers? You are publishing an innocent persons number online, so no thanks.

Cathy wasn't hosting Aaron's sites, she was going to host a site that was purchased from Aaron (actually it was from one of Aarons other employees).

Please, if you are going to ask questions don't add stuff that isn't true (she didn't leave as a disgruntled employee, she didn't host or transfer a 'lot' of his businesses to her server, etc). She was going to host one site that had been purchased by someone else, she never was going to host Aaron's anything.

See here is the connection you are missing:

Cathy worked for "Aaron" at PR.

Cathy was fired from PR in a way she claims was friendly. (who knows)

While Cathy worked at PR she met and worked with other staff members there which is normal I suppose.

When Cathy was fired from PR she still talked to other staff members because, they were of course friends she had made.

One of these people told her a few domains were available for purchase.

Cathy informed a few people she thought might want them.

One of those people were a staff member of my site, and that person bought the domain.

Cathy offered to host it for that person.

Cathy didn't hide her WHOIS (and from my quick search she never has on any domain she owned) because why would she? She was only going to host a site, like she does for many others.

The domain was transferred into the Wired Networks domain account after purchase.

The nameservers were updated to reflect the server that it was going to be hosted on.

The site never launched, or if it did I don't know anything about that.

This brings us up to now.

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drunkonlife

Cathy's domain who-is IS protected. The domain who-is for forum boost was quickly changed to "hidden" after this small hiccup(maybe the proxy protect expired) She runs a HUGE array of WAHM sites. Chances are great she is "Queenie" on the MMG forum (since she uses this as one of her aliases on one of her sites.
The fact that she went from PaidResponse directly into WiredSurf really begs a ton of questions. The fact that WiredSurf started very shortly after PaidResponse ended begs a ton of questions. The fact that you are very familiar with all the details into the what, why, and hows in regards to her relationship with PR begs a ton of questions.
The fact that quite a few of her sites were originally registered to Aaron begs a ton of questions. The fact that she once told me she was "just starting out in websites" way back when when in actuality she was already running a ton begs a ton of questions. The fact that she has protected Aaron up to this point even when he took in more than a half a million dollars begs a ton of questions. These are facts.
And no, regardless of what you say, she wasn't a "prominant" member of the surfing community. Not publicly anyway. Her ties with Aaron are deep and go many years back so I have to assume that your ties with Aaron are deep.

So when you bought this domain, are you telling me that you decided to let it stay on her server with your registration contact details? Why not move it to your server. It seems like you had an array of other sites on your wirednetwork servers so if logic would follow here, you would think that you would have simply moved it over once it was bought and not bothered with changing the registerant contact information

drunkonlife

besides, do you really want me to list all of her sites that are who-is protected?

Richard

I know about this because Cathy is still friends with someone who works for me. She also talked to you and Simon, obviously she talks to a lot of people who know the same things I know. Having deep ties to Aaron, maybe she does, but since I am not him, or her, I don't know anything about that.

I didn't host it on my servers because it wasn't my domain. The ONLY domains I ever hosted were mine, or run by me. That's why, if someone wants to start their own site they can get their own server, even if they work for me. I'm not a host.

I don't think she is Queenie, never heard of that username before MMG, and I am also not familiar with what sites Cathy has. Actually I don't know a single one. What site does she use Queenie on?

Wired Surf opened up after PR, I don't know how long after I have no idea. Didn't PS and CS open up then too? Why is it that my site gets the job of being associated?

I also don't know what sites were originally Aarons or Cathys, I don't know ANYTHING about any site unless it's something I own or am involved in and I am not in the work at home industry, not my thing.

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Richard

Let me rephrase that, I don't know any of Cathy's sites or any WAHM sites because well I am hardly a work at home mom. But, I can do my digging just as well as you can I suppose. The difference is when you are an admin in this industry you would be surprised at what you can find out and who comes to you with offers and such.

I have been content just doing my own thing.

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