nosey

For anyone contemplating joining Lighthalzen please read this post by a member of LH jusBidniss who posted this in another forum

1. IS THE CONCEPT SOUND?

LightHalzen combines some VERY powerful concepts:

First, it's a profit share. Payouts aren't based on some fixed daily percentage over a fixed time, but rather on the fact that over time 120% of your purchase price WILL be rebated back to you. How fast that happens is controlled by 2 factors: the Knight ranking you choose each day (how much of your payouts you use for repurchases) and what the LSP (Live Share Percentage, in other words the daily payout percentage) is worth. This daily percentage has reached max LSP every day the site has been online!Second, it uses the Knight system, which incentivises repurchasing by rewarding the repurchasor with a faster track to the 120%. This keeps member confidence high, gives members an increasingly lucrative active share balance, and helps retain more funds in the system through incentives rather than coercion (50/50 rules, etc.).Third, it pays a REALISTIC percentage of 120%, with the maximum possible daily LSP capped at 5%.Fourth, it has multiple streams of income, including e-book sales, paid ad space on the site, paid emails, and (hopefully returning soon) a fun lotto game.

2. WHAT ABOUT THE ADMINS?

All of us have seen programs where the concept was bulletproof, we 'thought' the admin was trustworthy, and yet they seemed content to simply wind the thing up like an old-fashioned alarm clock, set the program on autopilot, and waste an otherwise great concept by letting it slowly run out of steam. LightHalzen has two AMAZING admins, Lemon and Unsaid, well-liked and respected veterans around MMG and elsewhere. Their excellent qualities include (but are not limited to) their being:

Hard-working. The exact opposite of those "clockwinder" admins in other programs, Lemon and Unsaid are CONSTANTLY finding new and better ways to promote LightHalzen, to improve the program, to grow and retain its funds while still providing a lucrative place for the members to call home. They are always on the prowl to increase the program's exposure in the monitors, forums and blogs. Before LightHalzen converted to its current e-book store configuration, it was as a hyip featured on a webcast at the nearly-exclusive autosurf haven, ASA. Plus the program itself has gone through all the usual trials of a successful, long-term site, and has emerged victorious due to their hard work.Communicative. Unlike other admins who might show up on the forum every few days or so (if you're lucky!), Lemon and Unsaid have been right there with the membership every day, for many hours per day, discussing the ins and outs of the program, the LightHalzen community, and other topics of interest to the knighthood. They continually show and PROVE their love for the program and its continued existence!Persistent. These guys just do not quit! For anything! Things that can and have made other admins fold, tuck tail and run, only seem to make these two more and more determined to succeed!Innovative.
They first showed this quality by combining the idea of a profit share (not universally regarded as the 'sexiest' concept out there) with the "twist" of incentivising members to put their payouts back into the program (the Knight system).They introduced an Auto Vote mechanism to allow members to post votes at several monitors by completing only one simple form, which of course helped tremendously in promoting the site. They lightened their forum load by enlisting the aid of volunteer LightHalzen moderators; not official forum mods, but members who had shown a willingness and aptitude for helping others understand various program concepts. They executed a change of the entire underlying business model, transforming it from a hyip (high yield investment program) to an e-book store. "Investments" became "purchases of e-books" and "earnings" became "rebates" of these purchases. This was to enhance the legality, and therefore the longevity, of the program!Then, in an almost unheard-of move, they took the program at its height of profitability and success and, with great farsightedness and visionary wisdom, cut the percentages from 150% overall with a 15% daily max cap, to its current (and infinitely more sustainable) 120% with a 5% daily cap. They executed this maneuver at a time, unlike the timing of other programs that had done similar reductions, when LightHalzen was NOT in any trouble at all, but so that it would enjoy greater longevity. True visionaries, not to mention a VERY gutsy move!Next, in a reaction to the e-gold legal scare at the beginning of May, e-bullion and AlertPay were added as additional pay processors.Most recently, these innovative admins have brought forth an AutoRepurchase option. This allows members to enjoy all the benefits of upgrading to White or Supreme Knight, without the hassle of doing so manually through their pay processor.

3. HAS THE SITE STOOD THE TESTS OF TIME?

We have all been members of programs where everything SEEMED solid, only to fold at the first sign of trouble. LightHalzen has withstood every one of these types of trials that I for one have ever heard of! The site is still going strong after 35 days of uptime! All these attacks except the negativity ones resulted in downtime, but even during these periods member confidence and good cheer remained high, and upon each reopening records were set as money flowed back into the site!

Hosting attack. Enemies of the site, no doubt including jealous competitor admins, wrote to the hosting provider early on complaining that LightHalzen was an illegal scam. The letters were so insistent, threatening to sic the federal authorities on the hosting provider's upstream service provider, they had no choice but to stop hosting the site. Lemon and Unsaid quickly overcame this obstacle and got the site running on another server.E-gold attack. Enemies again pulled out their poison pens, this time convincing e-gold to block LightHalzen's account. These cowardly attackers even had the nerve to spoof the return address in their email to e-gold, claiming to be one of the enthusiastic members of the program! Security considerations prohibit going further, but suffice it to say Lemon and Unsaid dealt with this issue very efficiently.Negativity attacks. Not JUST the garden variety, run-of-the-mill forum trolling that every program has to endure, THESE attacks were apparently organized, and sustained! There were even bad and FALSE votes of non-payment in many LightHalzen monitors, spoofing the handles of supportive LightHalzen members (including yours truly!). Loyal members rallied in FORCE, fighting on the "homefront" (the forum trolling), and inundating the various monitor admins with emails warning them that their sites were being co-opted by false voters attacking LightHalzen. For days these bad votes would reappear, only to be swept away through the efforts of a devoted membership, until the attackers saw the futility of fighting an impassioned knighthood.DDoS attacks. Swept aside! Handily! Again, security prevents disclosing any of the details here. But simply judging by the various admin updates, LightHalzen has run under at least 2 previous security arrangements before arriving at the current state-of-the-art protection it now enjoys.

Much more could (and probably will!) be said about LightHalzen's many virtues. Even though this is a lengthy writeup, it merely scratches the surface. There is a LOT I've left out! But one thing we can definitely say for sure: LightHalzen is a GREAT place to be, and a great place to call home!

So how much of your payouts can you safely put back into LightHalzen? How much NEW money can you bring here? The resounding answer to both of these questions is -- AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE!

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Jude

wow nosey, did you actually come up with something this lengthy and impressive on NN or you have it pasted everywhere else in MMG, TG, HYIPD and all?

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24oz

an impressive long post propaganda but still remains 100% ponzi, no wealth is generated it is only transferred.
that's what I call BS, changing names does not change their legal status

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nosey

No not written by me as I said in the post and gave the credit to a member of LH who had written it in another forum as I mentioned that in my earlier post.

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nosey

And your "private investment" in your signature is not BS and is actually "FDIC insured?? Give it a rest. You are going to put this program down so they can join yours and every private investment I have ever been is the biggest BS and complete scammers.

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24oz

talking about facts is putting down? you in the other hand are making assumptions about something you do not even know. I have no interest in any program other than my invested hard earned money and look at them all objectively. Now tell me, is not correct what I said in the above post? it is not a fact?

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tianx

I always thought this was a nobs forum.

But... propaganda....

*swoon*

A ponzi is still a ponzi however you disguise it.

Might as well say...

PLEASE PUT IN YOUR MONEY SO US OLD MEMBERS CAN GET PAID!

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nosey

I am also talking about facts regarding your private investment in your signature. Is it it insured.???? Private makes me so nervous????


It is so easy to sweep all the many facts that happened simply in the the history of LH and simply use the word propoganda and say this reduce it in simple terms and call it a ponzi.


Of course it is a given anybody investing their money in any of the program that is mentioned in threada like NBSN is a risk and a gamble. We are all doing it and we are loosing and winning.

The earlier lengthy post that the earlier post has called propoganda had historical facts how the site came about and all the obstacle it faced. Any program facing that kind of obstactles would likely end. Also a proven track record and skills and honesty of the admins .

Now it has been paying now 43 times and making it daily max percentage in its profit share in 30 minutes now has over 3200 members. I think then some one who has money and wants to take a risk. I would call this one objectively looking at their past actions a good bet to take a risk. That is what is called giving facts and then let the reader decide for themselves

So give it up people with your boilerplate response and talk about specifics.

Or then maybe your advice should be to get away --from Stock market, Hedge funds,-- believe me if there is no money coming and there is no faith they crash,Ponzis, Pyrmaids b/c they would all fall under the propoganda definiton and have your money in a bank FDIC insured and play it safe with 2-5% year.


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Simon

Sorry, I don't know much about this - but the purchase of e-books, do you buy a new one(s) each day? And have many of them been of any use?

All bickering aside, the program doesn't appear selling a valuable service, so the profitshare model it uses won't last forever. I don't inherently dislike the profitshare model, but I do think it is the latest thing to be used to take away from the fact that none (or at least the vast minority) of these PS autosurfs are actually generating any outside revenue. I don't care how honest they are, how great their customer service is or anything like that.

I simply dislike that no one has taken it upon themsleves to generate revenue from capital brought in, and instead it is just paid back out again - anyone can do that. Profitshare did solve the problem of fixed payouts that couldn't be adhered to, but if no revenue is being generated outside of / from upgrades, then it doesn't matter how you structure payouts.

Now, before we get into more arguments, let's be perfectly clear about something - the way you perceive a program like this (or any other) depends entirely on your goals. I would say that more people on this forum have a longer-term outlook, and are less likely to play the shorter term risks. Because of its nature, LH cannot be a long-term entity (unless it evolves to create wealth outside of e-book purchases on a large scale), and so this is where a disparity in opinions emerges. If only looking at a shorter-term option, then LH is probably as good as anything else out there. It is obviously well structured, has good support, and is managed well at the moment - none of that means it is a good long term prospect, but it does indicate a good option for the here and now.

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