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Luc · 08-07-2008, 07:09 PM

This is NOT OVER yet. The Officers didn’t make any decisions… There were NO HEARINGS on the side of ASD so far. Andy Bowdoin had indicated that THEY HAD NOT EVEN SEEN THE CHARGES yet. He said that there should be another conference call on Friday with more detailed informations. So please, don’t draw too fast conclusions!

Let me explain what happened: The Prosecutors used to shut down any business when people do complaint, they do this to protect the consumers and we (ASD members) have to understand that. They do this to also evaluate the situation and take action. To sum up: "We close and shut down everything first and we make the hearings afterwards…" Andy has not been heard yet… This is a typical american method to proceed that way (I find this method "a bit" unfair… but it’s just my thought)… it’s different in Europe.

I've also heard (in a conference call hold yesterday) that ALL money are on HOLD and if ASD members want their money back, they would be able to do it but not right now.

okosh, when I read your posts on TG or MMG, am laughing all the way (I thought Aussies were more serious). You asked on the MMG forum where are the cheerleaders? My answer is that most of the ASD members have received instructions to NOT respond in forums otherwise they could jeopardize ASD. In my opinion it is best just to stay out, or if we go in the forums with NO intention of posting… that’s ok! We are simply gathering more infos understanding that it will be loaded with opinions, emotions, half truths, rumours, lies,...

The U.S. Attorney's office made the Civil Complaint public in a 101 page complaint containing all Allegations to which ASD will need to reply. As of the time we write this, NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED and there are NO CRIMINAL COMPLAINTS OR CHARGES as yet. It has yet to be seen if this remains a civil complaint challenging the legality of the method of business. We must realize that this is a complaint and ASD will need to address and reply to it as well as defend itself as well as the officers and individuals named in the complaint. We have to remind that IT IS A PROSECUTOR’S JOB TO PAINT AS UGLY AND EGREGIOUS a picture of the enterprise and those involved as possible without regard to the "OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY" will be ASD's responsibility to represent their case regarding every part of the complaint.

I will not comment on it, rather, I am hoping that ASD will be able to affectively address and overcome all of this and it is up to their legal team to refute the allegations in the complaint and clear ASD's name and business model. We also need to remember that media needs SENSATIONALISM to get readership and a department filing a complaint has to paint EVERYTHING in the WORST POSSIBLE light without ANY commentary as to FACTS or CIRCUMSTANCES that may disprove or explain allegations or perceptions expressed.

One thing to keep in mind also is that people who now fear loss and who may have not complained before will create an increase in complaints in an effort to avoid loss (which most will argue is a possibility brought on by the raid rather than by ASD)

I have attended a couple of calls or webroom meetings that we were made aware of at the last minute and they have some good information regarding recommended courses of action for current members. I have heard an attorney, several business professionals, financial professionals and an advertising executive indicate that this test may create a paradigm shift in how this business model is perceived and validate this business model. I also can't tell you the number of business owners I have heard who have said that ASD has made a SIGNIFICANT difference in the business they are advertising and how many feel that ASD is a KEY piece of the puzzle in their strategy to BRAND themselves nationwide and worldwide.

The ASD members will receive instructions to take only CONSTRUCTIVE , POSITIVE actions and NOT negative actions. They will take actions in due time… A positive action would be to prepare and send to ASD member’s statements of the value that the advertising model has created for them or their business.

We - as ASD members - are angry and frustrated right now but we have to avoid reacting in the extreme, making up our minds about things and letting our emotions ride on every articles or posts we see. Forums will spread all kinds of informations, most of which are just people’s opinions. Many who post negatively in those places just love antagonizing people with no regard for accuracy or truth. Some believe ASD is bad and say so. Based on my experience, ASD members will NOT win anyone over to a supportive position in those sites and actually even if they do it doesn't matter because most of the ppl will not make the important decision.

In addition, posting angry statements, threats and even well intended but INACCURATE information in threads will do more to HARM ASD's cause than to help it. It is known that investigators will be visiting and keeping copies of blogs and forums and anything ASD that they can get their hands on. They are JUST DOING THEIR JOB and their job at present is TO FIND EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO SUPPORT THE COMPLAINT AND CHARGE. it is NOT THEIR JOB TO COLLECT INFORMATIONS THAT SUPPORT ASD (the defense) other than that which can be used AGAINST the defense.

We now have to wait to hear directly from ASD to see how they and their legal team communicate the status of the situation to us and how they address any and all complaints with the desired goal being to justify and validate the business model so that we (ASD members) can all return business with ASD.

The next call with Andy is supposed to be tomorrow (Friday from the time of the writing) and if I get important informations, I’ll let you know.

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Luc Junior Crapper Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Secret Service raid ASD offices.... This is NOT OVER yet. The Officers didn’t make any decisions… There were NO HEARINGS on the side of ASD so far. Andy Bowdoin had indicated that THEY HAD NOT EVEN SEEN THE CHARGES yet. He said that there should be another conference call on Friday with more detailed informations. So please, don’t draw too fast conclusions! Let me explain what happened: The Prosecutors used to shut down any business when people do complaint, they do this to protect the consumers and we (ASD members) have to understand that. They do this to also evaluate the situation and take action. To sum up: "We close and shut down everything first and we make the hearings afterwards…" Andy has not been heard yet… This is a typical american method to proceed that way (I find this method "a bit" unfair… but it’s just my thought)… it’s different in Europe. I've also heard (in a conference call hold yesterday) that ALL money are on HOLD and if ASD members want their money back, they would be able to do it but not right now. okosh, when I read your posts on TG or MMG, am laughing all the way (I thought Aussies were more serious). You asked on the MMG forum where are the cheerleaders? My answer is that most of the ASD members have received instructions to NOT respond in forums otherwise they could jeopardize ASD. In my opinion it is best just to stay out, or if we go in the forums with NO intention of posting… that’s ok! We are simply gathering more infos understanding that it will be loaded with opinions, emotions, half truths, rumours, lies,... The U.S. Attorney's office made the Civil Complaint public in a 101 page complaint containing all Allegations to which ASD will need to reply. As of the time we write this, NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED and there are NO CRIMINAL COMPLAINTS OR CHARGES as yet. It has yet to be seen if this remains a civil complaint challenging the legality of the method of business. We must realize that this is a complaint and ASD will need to address and reply to it as well as defend itself as well as the officers and individuals named in the complaint. We have to remind that IT IS A PROSECUTOR’S JOB TO PAINT AS UGLY AND EGREGIOUS a picture of the enterprise and those involved as possible without regard to the "OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY" will be ASD's responsibility to represent their case regarding every part of the complaint. I will not comment on it, rather, I am hoping that ASD will be able to affectively address and overcome all of this and it is up to their legal team to refute the allegations in the complaint and clear ASD's name and business model. We also need to remember that media needs SENSATIONALISM to get readership and a department filing a complaint has to paint EVERYTHING in the WORST POSSIBLE light without ANY commentary as to FACTS or CIRCUMSTANCES that may disprove or explain allegations or perceptions expressed. One thing to keep in mind also is that people who now fear loss and who may have not complained before will create an increase in complaints in an effort to avoid loss (which most will argue is a possibility brought on by the raid rather than by ASD) I have attended a couple of calls or webroom meetings that we were made aware of at the last minute and they have some good information regarding recommended courses of action for current members. I have heard an attorney, several business professionals, financial professionals and an advertising executive indicate that this test may create a paradigm shift in how this business model is perceived and validate this business model. I also can't tell you the number of business owners I have heard who have said that ASD has made a SIGNIFICANT difference in the business they are advertising and how many feel that ASD is a KEY piece of the puzzle in their strategy to BRAND themselves nationwide and worldwide. The ASD members will receive instructions to take only CONSTRUCTIVE , POSITIVE actions and NOT negative actions. They will take actions in due time… A positive action would be to prepare and send to ASD member’s statements of the value that the advertising model has created for them or their business. We - as ASD members - are angry and frustrated right now but we have to avoid reacting in the extreme, making up our minds about things and letting our emotions ride on every articles or posts we see. Forums will spread all kinds of informations, most of which are just people’s opinions. Many who post negatively in those places just love antagonizing people with no regard for accuracy or truth. Some believe ASD is bad and say so. Based on my experience, ASD members will NOT win anyone over to a supportive position in those sites and actually even if they do it doesn't matter because most of the ppl will not make the important decision. In addition, posting angry statements, threats and even well intended but INACCURATE information in threads will do more to HARM ASD's cause than to help it. It is known that investigators will be visiting and keeping copies of blogs and forums and anything ASD that they can get their hands on. They are JUST DOING THEIR JOB and their job at present is TO FIND EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO SUPPORT THE COMPLAINT AND CHARGE. it is NOT THEIR JOB TO COLLECT INFORMATIONS THAT SUPPORT ASD (the defense) other than that which can be used AGAINST the defense. We now have to wait to hear directly from ASD to see how they and their legal team communicate the status of the situation to us and how they address any and all complaints with the desired goal being to justify and validate the business model so that we (ASD members) can all return business with ASD. The next call with Andy is supposed to be tomorrow (Friday from the time of the writing) and if I get important informations, I’ll let you know. Last edited by Luc; 08-07-2008 at 09:23 PM..